Wow, Teresa

You raise some valid points which I would like to address.


--- In FamilyRightsAdvocacyIMPROVEMENTProject@yahoogroups.com, "Rev. Brewer" <aframo05@...> wrote:
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> To ALL Advocates, Members, Ladies and Gentlemen of FamilyRightsIMPROVMENTProject
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> Be warned. Everything that you write here is being stolen, linked to and bragged about on Bully's site.

Yes, Billy is doing this and it isn't hurting any of us any. It is hurting Billy and AFRA.

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> Furthermore, he claims that our organization AFRA-Missouri, "IS Out of Business," which only goes to show that this pathetic moron has deluded himself to thinking that just having a website, is a business.

Actually, this is a excellent demonstration of how Billy and AFRA do not understand the issues, context, principles surrounding what any of us do. Anyone who sees his explanations, coupled with the supposed documents supporting his story clearly see that he doesn't get it. Think about it. . .his site is so full of hate and vitriol AND his claims are so clearly manufactured out of thin air and lacking any proof that everyone sees it for what it is. . .lies upon lies intended to harm. This leaves him and AFRA with ZERO credibility.

I can attest to this fact by virtue of the Internet Archive incident a few weeks ago. I had MANY phone calls and emails, some of which wanted to know who Billy was. You see, Billy and AFRA members were out there inciting the Internet community and directing them to his site. Even though many of them were opposed to my lawsuit with Internet Arvchive, ALL of them quickly realized that Billy was completely intellectually lame as was AFRA for endorsing him.


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> I regret to inform you all, that for the sake of our works and the people that so desperately need our help, we now must remove ourselves from this group, in the effort of damage control.
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> The personal and professional attacks are causing far too much harm for us to continue membership here. Membership in this group, (while I strongly support our efforts together) has not improved family advocacy. Instead it has given more of ourselves to the STM's due to the lack of security in this public arena.
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> Suzanne has disclosed that she believes that nothing is really accomplished in these groups. I feel that this latest attack is proof that she is correct and I am dissapointed that she did not feel it was important to keep this a private group, allowing further attacks against we leaders in this movement.

This group was intended to expose those who motives were not in the best interests of this movement. It is not intended to discuss what we are doing locally, nor to provide help to families as advocates.  When I said the groups were not getting the job done, I was referring to the effectiveness and credibilty of online advocacy groups.

This group is accomplishing THIS group's  goal. By making this group public, we have served several purposes:

1. To publicly expose what AFRA, et al, are doing secretly and behind the scenes which harms this movement or families who seek advocacy services.
2. To expose the character, history and credibility of those who have sought to advocate for families or to cause harm to any non-AFRA person or group.
   
3. To analyze what AFRA, et al, are doing publicly, and assess the effectiveness, crediblity and mothods employed, and whether they are harmful or helpful and why.
   
4. To give AFRA, et al, the opportunity to seize upon what we do and say on this group andtheir  attempts to dirty it, malign it, misrepresent it, copy it, or use it against any non-AFRA person or group.

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> In my opinion, this should not be a public forum. The issues we are trying to work out, should be kept from the public and worked out much more professionally in private. We have opened ourselves up to this attack by keeping this a public forum. I will not allow my people or myself to be used to make a laughing stock of our very effective and good work anylonger.

Nobody is laughing at US, Teresa.  WE have professionals working with us. I  work with lawyers

all over the country.  WE are training professionals. Almost nobody goes to the Bully Monster site, and those who do see it for what it is.  A hate site spewing monkey doo doo about anybody who is opposed to the AFRA machine.  It is pathetic, and not harmful to anyone except AFRA.

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> I and my people will no longer be used as pawns in this war, just because I stood for up for Suzanne Shell. I will not sacrafice my work or my people for this nonsense anylonger.

This is what they wanted, Teresa.  To bully and intimidate you into blaming me for what THEY have done to you.

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> Suzanne, I have asked you to call me, and told you that it was vitally important. You have not. Nor have you emailed me individually, or responded to my emails to you.

And I have been EXTREMELY busy and overwhelmed with what has been going on. I got one email from you in the middle of  a blizzard of events.  I am sorry I couldn't get back to you, but I am STILL tying up loose ends from that mess.  I believe you have my phone number, you can call me.

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> Worse still, you have made very ugly allegations on your website, against VOCAL. I know for a fact that VOCAL and VOCAL of MO are no longer affilatated in anyway. Nevertheless, our Board Members are also Board Members and Directors of other organizations. We cannot afford to have anymore ugly comments made about our allies or false allegations cast upon our work, collectively or individually.

Sigh. . .MY site (www.profane-justice.org) has NOTHING about VOCAL on it. As for the story about VOCAL which WAS on my site and which I transferred to The Editors @badadvocates.com, I DID NOT STATE these facts. Leslie Wimberly (one of the leaders of NASVO)  said them, on video, when I filmed her at a VOCAL conference in Denver a few years ago.  My story, as I wrote it, was about what happened to VOCAL, which was one of the first organized efforts in this arena, and which has since largely disappeared due to the reputation associated with that name - caused by AFRA-type people who were seeking some protection for their abusive conduct.

There is nothing  about AFRA MO in that article. 

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> Suzanne, we have made public statements in support of your efforts. Yet apparently you felt it necessary to post disparaging comments without bringing it to me, knowing that some of the people you mention have affiliations with us or our allies. You know the people that I speak of. I will not mention their names in order to spare any further slander/defamation or doubts against their integrity.

I first published the VOCAL article several years ago, before I knew you. I did however, know Leslie Wimberly of NASVO, to whom I did speak to about this article.

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> Please remove your disparaging comments about VOCAL, immediately and post a retraction and clarification on your website about VOCAL of MO. Vocal of MO DOES NOT harbor anyone that would harm a child or a woman in anyway. Vocal of MO's, President also wrote in support of you. WE expect the same respect from you, that we have given to you.

IF *I* have said anything untruthful and disparaging about VOCAL MO or any of its membership or leadership, please point it out to me and I will correct it.  However, taken in context, I'm quite sure my story is accurate.

IF this article causes issues for your group. . .that is part of the territory of using the VOCAL name. Teresa, the VOCAL name is tarnished as verified by the admission of NASVO and VOCAL founders. This is unfortunate, but it is not my fault. 

My credibility as a journalist/documentarian lies in reporting the facts. Good facts or bad facts, it makes no difference. 

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> If you have proof of your allegations, please provide them to me immediately.

Now you are sounding like Cygan. Let me 'splain this again. . . As a publication, I do not have to provide proof upon demand.  However, be patient. . .this will be broadcast using Ms. Wimberly's own words. I can arrange to interview YOU and your board in response to this disclosure for inclusion in the video. Fair enough?

Heck, if AFRA leadership wants to be interviewed for inclusion, I will do THAT, too. I WILL be including AFRA in this program, so if AFRA wants it's say, it's now or never. Come on this group and let me know if you want to be included. But I need to know quickly, I am in post production and I have a number of national cable channels interested as well as other media outlets.  --- Suzanne

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> May God Bless You All,
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> Rev. Teresa Brewer
> President
> American Family Rights Association-Missouri, Inc.
> AFRA-MO
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